Friday, November 10, 2017

For Tuesday: Ronson, The Men Who Stare at Goats, Chs. 10-13


Answer TWO of the following:

Q1: Many in the Army deny the use of subliminal sound techniques in warfare, claiming that it makes no sense, and could not be used without injuring our soldiers in the process. Ronson admits that it sounds pretty much like a crazy conspiracy theory. Does he completely debunk it in these chapters? Or does he suggest like many conspiracy theories, it stems from a grain of truth?

Q2: A soldier who worked at Abu Ghraib tells Ronson, “The thing I had to remember about military intelligence was that they were the “nerdy-type guys at schools. You know. The outcasts. Couple all that with ego, and a poster on the wall saying BY CG APPROVAL...and suddenly you have guys who think they govern the world” (176). Why is this an important point for Ronson to remember? What danger might a prison run by the “outcasts” prove both to the prisoners and the soldiers who run it?

Q3: One of the reasons that Ronson has difficultly understand the governing philosophy of places like Abu Ghraib, and the Branch Davidian siege, is due to what he calls a “casserole of intelligence.” What does he mean by this, and why does this give even more plausibility to the use of frequencies and other sound technology?

Q4: Jamal, the prisoner who was eventually released from Guantanamo Bay, says about the prison, “You don’t know how deep the rabbit hole goes, do you? But you know it is deep. You know it is deep” (169). While he and others make these chapters sound like a vast, cosmic conspiracy, what makes it difficult to trust his (and others’) accounts of torture and sonic warfare? What makes Jamal, Dr. Oliver Lowery, and Colonel Alexander so difficult to take at face value?


5 comments:

  1. Q2) When you combine the feeling of being casted out, a massive ego, and the constant reminder of approval, these soldiers are going to act as if they can rule the world because they've never been able to. The dangers to the prisoners might prove to be that these soldiers become bullies and they have way too much swagger and might hurt the inmates. The soldiers who run the prison would be in danger because at some point, if you give the underdog super powers, it might go to his head to where he gets overzealous and hurts a fellow soldier or goes to jail for hurting inmates.
    Q4) It is difficult to trust Jamal because he isn't a neutral character. If there was something more going on, he wouldn't be the person to ask because he doesn't truly know anything about it, he was in the middle of it so he is biased, and he probably just wants that special feeling like "yeah this happened to me! Nobody else!". All of these reasons are plausible and not deniable. It is the same for the rest of these people too. They are all too close but they don't know the full story or they exaggerate in order to blow the whole situation out of proportion.

    Ashley Robertson

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  2. Q2: if you put outcasts into power that they have never had, you should plan for power going to their head, and the fact that they are not able to be strong leaders due to the lack of experience of being in power. It would result in the outcasts becoming bullies and then a power imbalance
    Q:4 Jamal isn't unbiased,and he isn't a good source to learn info and just wanted to feel special by pretty much saying hey I know a little bit, all of the reasons are somewhat possible, but they aren't proven true either. It's possible to exaggerate the situation as well due to them trying to look cool and say I know somthing

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  3. Q1: I believe that Ronson uses the goat story to get a hook on the reader and create an interest. After the goat story though, it is not mentioned really throughout the rest of the book. The most believable story is the use of music at Gitmo.

    Q2: Egotiscal higher-ups are generally not a good thing. If everyone had an ego, they will feel they need to prove themselves constantly and a group of egos do not work well together. This can put the bottom of the food chain in danger if the higher-ups mess up.

    Noah Parsons

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  4. q1 I truly feel like the goat thing was a ploy to pull interest by the common reader. I know I looked at the book and I was thinking that it sounded goofy, and interesting. He really didn't absolutely nail the point he was trying to prove past the whole goat thing, he then proceeded to go after other myths and such.
    q2 when you have a group of outcasts with common similarities, with common views, this can lead to riots and such. I also think that this matches are drowned with gasoline that could possible not be lit, it think it honestly depends on the situation, you would need proper conditions for these egos to band together.
    Jordan bussey

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  5. Q2: It is important for him to remember because if he doesn't then he is disregarding the fact that these outcasted people tend to lash out due to feeling left out and wanting to be accepted. They'd all want to get back at people if they had the power to. People would constantly be butting heads. The soldiers who are used to being the power house won't know how to deal with somebody else coming in and stealing the spotlight and it would cause already violent people to make mistakes and harm others.

    Q4: Since Jamal is a prisoner, he isn't a very reliable source. He is going to over exaggerate a little because he is in the situation and wants help from others. he is going to make it seem worse than it is. Everybody who has an opportunity to speak up and say something wants their story to be the best one there is and the one that gets the most attention so they tend to say things that aren't fully true to achieve this.

    Kasandra Beeler

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